Talks · 7 Feb 2025[INTERVIEW] DOMINIQUE PAGANI - Michel Clouscard and the betrayal of May 68- 45:43"Property is theft" does not distinguish personal possessions from the means of production; he prefers Rousseau's formula.
Proudhon
Appears in 15 videos · 17 passages, 4 of them in depth.
What Dominique Pagani says
Dominique Pagani mostly comes back to the formula "Property is theft", which he sets against Rousseau's "every idle citizen is a rogue", which he finds richer and more accurate1. Taken on its own, Proudhon's formula would turn the retired miner into a thief and so pay tribute to parasitism2. It does not distinguish personal belongings from the means of production3. He points out that Marx mocks it and that Rousseau does not say this. He places Proudhon among the anarchists and the utopian socialists who came before Marx, on the side of "utopian reveries". He mentions the young Marx, still a Proudhonian, who later became his adversary. He stresses The Poverty of Philosophy, Marx's reply to The Philosophy of Poverty4, and calls Proudhon an antisemite5. He also faults him for reasoning in terms of a "good side and bad side", which for him is not dialectics6.
- 1Que faire ? 3/329 Jan 2016 · 46:59
- 2Marx Plage 2/21 Feb 2016 · 41:22
- 3[ENTRETIEN] DOMINIQUE PAGANI - Michel Clouscard et la trahison de mai 687 Feb 2025 · 45:43
- 4D. Pagani / Réponse de M. Clouscard à C. Morilhat (1987)23 Aug 2019 · 29:00
- 59 #14 Comment des sciences de l'histoire peuvent-elles être réelles?5 Feb 2021 · 1:47:35
- 6Radio Galère - Michel Clouscard - 27 Jul 2012 · 17:52
Summary produced automatically from 17 of the passages below, to be reviewed; the numbers link to the moment in the session.
Who is this?Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (, also US: ; French:; 15 January 1809 – 19 January 1865) was a French anarchist, socialist, philosopher, and economist who founded mutualist philosophy and is considered by many to be the "father of anarchism". He was the first person known to self-identify as an anarchist, and is widely regarded as one of anarchism's most influential theorists. Proudhon became a member of the French Parliament after the Revolution of 1848, whereafter he referred to himself as a federalist. Proudhon described the liberty he pursued as the synthesis of community and individualism. […]
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Talks · 7 Feb 2025[INTERVIEW] DOMINIQUE PAGANI - Michel Clouscard and the betrayal of May 68
Season 9.2 · 5 Feb 20219 #14 How can sciences of history be real?
Talks · 20 May 2018Marxist Café - Work and the right to work- 28:40"Property is theft," mocked by Marx, would make the retiree a thief; Rousseau is more accurate.
Series · 1 Feb 2016Marx on the Beach 2/2- 41:22'Property is theft': taken alone, the formula makes a retired miner a thief and pays tribute to parasitism; Rousseau corrects it.
Season 11 · 14 Oct 2022Clouscard and the problem of Socrates- 18:51Targeted by The Poverty of Philosophy.
Series · 2 Feb 2021Musicosophy 13. Mozart restored- 1:24:25Among the utopian reveries.
Talks · 5 Oct 2020Calves and Things (2): Ecologism, the highest stage of capitalism?- 30:02Subject of Marx's letter that mentions Rousseau.
Season 8 · 30 May 2020#9 • Return to the logics of the subject- 42:14"Property is theft," which Rousseau does not say.
Series · 23 Aug 2019D. Pagani / M. Clouscard's reply to C. Morilhat (1987)- 29:00Target of The Poverty of Philosophy.
Talks · 3 Aug 2019Money, work, freedom- 8:13The young Marx is still Proudhonian.
Talks · 6 Oct 2018Dominique Pagani "On Marx"- 41:23In the film, Marx reproaches him for wanting to abolish all property.
Series · 1 Feb 2016Hegel on the Beach 2/5- 38:36Cited among the anarchists.
Series · 29 Jan 2016What is to be done? 3/3
Series · 20 Sept 2014#2 Rousseau, a world that begins- 49:02Marx becomes its adversary.
Series · 7 Jul 2012Radio Galère - Michel Clouscard - 2- 17:52The good side and the bad side: this is not dialectic.